Sunday, July 04, 2004

Fundamentalist Christians Hatred Towards Gays, and What the Bible Says About Homosexuality

Today, I was going to post about something other than what follows. However, in my morning internet browsing, I stumbled upon this page. Simply disgusting. I felt I had to say something about it here. The answer is so obvious, and it just goes to show that Christians know nothing about biology, sex, or any other form of science for that matter. They simply take statistics and use them as evidence to support their hate. Funny how they can use one science (statistics) to push their case, but ignore another (biology) that explains the statistics.

It's quite obvious to me that the reason that the majority of HIV patients are homosexual. You see, it is a well known fact that sexual transmission of the HIV virus is much more "successful" from a male partner. Men pass HIV to women much more frequently than women pass it to men. I can hear the Johnston family saying, "Well that just proves HIV was designed to destroy homosexuals!" Hardly. I'm sure they realize, as I do, that lesbians are homosexuals also right? Why would god design the plague to kill off homosexuals and not make it easily transferable from women to women? Perhaps god is just as infatuated with some hot girl on girl action as the rest of males are. Maybe the Johnston family would just say this is more proof that god is a man?

I have to take an aside here also to wonder about something. I wonder exactly what it is that the peoples of Africa have done to piss off god so much. I mean, they represent about ten percent of the world's population, but posses roughly seventee percent of the world's HIV cases. This is even more extreme than homosexuals with their ten to sixty percent ratio!

Next up in the article we see the silly argument about digging ditches or eating pudding. Of course, we all know you could eat pudding off of a shovel and not be harmed, or dig a ditch (while it may take some time) with a spoon while avoiding bodily injury. These are just more of the whacked-out analogies that Christians often use.

Next we see the invariable proof that the penis was designed for procreation. The article says that you don't need to read the bible to know this. They say the penis's only purpose is urination and procreation. Well, I've had some very fun times with my penis, and they didn't involve urination or procreation. The fact that the penis is used for sexual pleasure is missed by Christians I guess. Who would have imagined that? Oh let's not forget the obligatory, "We're talking about gays so let's not forget our witty Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve line"

Following, we see the argument about gays not being born gay. The Christians always say that gays choose to be gay. This argument is fallible on two accounts. One, when does a straight person choose to be straight? I know that I never did. It was just natural for me, as I'm sure it is for most homosexuals. The proof that people can be born with mis-matched wiring between mind and sex-organ is evident in the fact that there are people born with both sex organs. Doctor's usually end up amputating one and leaving the other. How do they know which one the infant's brain is wired for? This person may grow up with a female brain, but male sex organs. Two, why, in this world of bigotry against homosexuals, would someone choose to be gay? They are simply exposing themselves to discrimination, hardship, and hate. This makes no sense.

The article continues to site how violent the homosexual lifestyle is. It lists how high the suicide rate is among homosexuals. I wonder why this is? Could it be due to the fact that generally, homosexuals are hated, vilified, crucified and demonized by a large portion of the population? Could it be sites and propaganda such as the Johnston family's website that make the homosexual life incredibly difficult, when it needs not be?

The percentages on gay drug use are so varied and in such a wide range that it seems obvious these statistics are probably made up, and if not made up, these survey are completely invalid due to the huge range of difference between them.

The section on serial killers being gay as evidence how evil homosexuals are is completely ridiculous. The site even says that "Leading serial killers are all homosexual!!!" The emphasis on "all" is their own. This statement is completely false. Just type "serial killers" into google and you'll see that the dozen or so killers listed on the ministry's site are no where near the leading killers. Some I found are Pedro Alonso Lopez (three hundred plus murders), H.H.Holmes (two hundred-plus murders), Hu Wanlin (one hundred plus murders), Richard "Iceman" Kuklinski (forty or more murders), and Moses Sithole (at least thirty eight murders), were all heterosexual serial killers. In fact, the majority are. I would say that Pedro Alonso Lopez, with at least three hundred murders would be much more of a "leading serial killer" than the ones listed on that page with a meager thirty or forty murders. Why, Jefferey Dahmer only killed seventeen people, while the very heterosexual Ted Bundy managed at least twenty-two! According to their logic that homosexuals are more likely to be serial killers because some were, Moses should be a serial killer, because a serial killer is named Moses! Well we all know Moses wasn't a serial killer...well, not counting leading a nation to commit genocide against a number of peoples and all that.

Near the end of this article, we find more statistics about how homosexuals are more likely to be murdered and commit suicide. We've already gone over this. With all the hate the Christians foster against homosexuals, is it any surprise?

We end the article with quotes from the book of god's love, the bible. Here it tells us how much god hates gays. It says, "If you are not compliant with the moral law of God, which forbids ALL lust, including masturbation and homosexuality, you are headed for HELL!!!" Sure, the bible says that a sodomite is " abomination unto the Lord" in Deuteronomy 23:17-18, but it also says in Deutoronomy 22:5 that women that wear men's clothing (pants, anyone?) are " abomination unto the Lord" I wonder if most Christians women who wear pants are aware that they are just as an abomination in god's eyes as homosexuals? Paul even writes in Romans 1:32-33 that homosexuals are "worthy of death". So remember this next time you need someone to kill. No need to seek out a homosexual, just find a woman wearing pants!

What about homosexuality in the bible? It is all condemned, is it not?

If you read 1 Samuel 18:1 in the bible, it would seem that David ( one of the most respected old testament kings ), and Jonathan, had a sexual relationship, "...Jonathan became one in spirit with David and he loved him as himself." I think we can all agree that loving yourself could have a wide range of meanings. In 1 Samuel 18:2 the bible says, "From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house." Sounds like kidnapping and forced sex to me. It gets hotter, with 1 Samuel 18:3-4 being almost explicit, "And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt." People back then didn't wear undergarments, so this means Jonathan stripped naked in front of David. In 1 Samuel 20:41 the bible says, "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most." These quotes are from the New International Version, and it's funny to note that in every translation save The Living Bible translation, it says they kissed. In the Living bible, it says here, "...and they sadly shook hands, tears running down their cheeks until David could weep no more." The translators couldn't stand the thought of two men kissing to such an extent that they mistranslated the Hebrew text! Later, in 2 Samuel 1:26 the bible says, "I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women." It's obvious that David valued the love and companionship of Jonathan more than women from this statement alone! It was not proper for a man to have a platonic relationship with a woman, so the only relationship, or "love" David would be referring to here would be sexual love. It would seem strange for David to be comparing platonic love for a man with sexual love for a woman.

Another possible sexual relationship exists between one of the most well known prophets, Daniel, and Ashpenaz, the chief of the court officials of Nebuchadnezzar, who was the King of Babylon. It is in Daniel 1:9, and the New International Version of the bible translates the ancient texts to say, "Now God had caused the official to show favor and sympathy to Daniel.", the King James Version says, "Now God had brought Daniel into favor and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.", while the Revised Standard Edition says, "And God gave Daniel favor and compassion in the sight of the chief of the eunuchs." The original Hebrew language used here to describe the nature of their relationship is "chesed v'rachamim". "Chesed" means "mercy", and "v'rachamim" means "mercy" or "physical love". It seems unlikely that the bible would say that Daniel had "mercy and mercy" for Ashpenaz, as it is redundant. It seems to make more sense that it says "mercy and physical love", does it not?

In conclusion, I think it's safe to say that Christians really don't follow the entire bible. There are references to homosexual relationships between well known biblical figures, not to mention the fact that Jesus said that anyone who believes and has faith in him would go to heaven. I think it's safe to say that everyone includes homosexuals.

Center for Disease Control
National Public Radio News
She Comes First by Iam Kerner, Ph.D.
Serial Killer Hit List


Anonymous Anonymous said...

The original Hebrew word used in 20:41 was "gadal" instead of the continued mistranslations posted in your article.

"Gadal" means "great" so..

The original Hebrew text says that they kissed each other and wept together until David became great.

I don`t know how you`d take that but I`m pretty sure I get it.

Nice article.

3:20 PM  
Blogger Sarah said...

Wow, great blog. As for the article, I got to "compared to normal people" and had to stop. Really disgusting...and just sad.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God is good, God is great! You are a stoopid, faggot! I hate, hate, hate, you!! You are going straight to Hell and stuff. You suck!

12:18 AM  
Blogger R.A.Matheson said...

Well our friend Anonymous above here has done a good job demonstrating the love of christianity.

6:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't want to register just to comment.
Tom says: Great article, nice job citing sources. That article was sickening but I read the whole thing anyway. I kind of wish I hadn't, but I like to read deeply into both sides' arguments rather than simply posting about how wonderful my side is and how condemned the other is (look a couple posts above me). I am atheist, by the way.

12:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Awesome, awesome article. I totally agree. :)

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well done! I'm so proud to have a fellow atheist construct an argument with such skill. Take that, fundies! And that!

12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Johnston family thing is a comic masterpiece: "How dare you blame your Creator for your miserably perverted, shameful sexual habits!!!"

The triple pppunctuation points, I think, toward an unhinged mind.

My favourite part has to be where they state that "if macroevolution were true", homosexuality would be squeezed from the gene pool. They really are going all out, aren't they?

8:08 AM  
Blogger aprildawn said...

did that guy just write the word "stoopid" and expect to be taken seriously?

10:15 AM  
Blogger -R·K- said...

the laughter i got while reading this was priceless.. i'm so glad to have found someone who shares the same thinking as i do.

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I'm a christian and i kinda agree with your article we need to start loving the homosexual people of this world instead of condeming them the bible says actually its Jesus words LOVE thy neighbor as thyself and i take that to mean everyone no matter who or what they are.

6:57 PM  
Blogger ramatheson said...

Exactly, Joe.

8:23 PM  
Anonymous The Prophet said...

To condone, accept or allow in any way, that which God dislikes, is to go AGAINST God, and subjects you to the lake of fire, and second death.

You are either with Him FULLY, or against Him...

To love your enemy, does NOT mean to accept his actions, or abide with him. But to have compassion on him, for his soul, and judgment.

Another FALSE interpretation is to think you are to NOT JUDGE, when in fact YOU MUST JUDGE to GUARD YOUR HEART. Judge to know right from wrong, and if you see your brother going the wrong way, you are required to tell him of it, just let him know, but how can you if you DO NOT JUDGE which way he is going? If you just let him know then go your way and pray for him, he keeps the punishment of all his sin, but if you don't, you heap his sins on your head!

DO NOT Judge someone as to there final Judgment, such as to say someone is clearly going to hell, or to heaven, for that is GOD'S JUDGMENT ALONE, it is RESERVED for Him alone, and the bible is VERY CLEAR on that ONE JUDGMENT. To say some one is headed to heaven or hell IF they don't turn from, or change their way, is different, and that is what we are to watch for and warn against, to give them the opportunity to turn from their wrongs, and gain the grace of God.

READ THE BIBLE, all the answers are there... BUT, you must read it punctuation mark to punctuation mark, book by book, not this verse then that verse, for that is out of context, and I can even make Jeffery Dahmer look like Jesus reading that way, but not if I read it the right way...

What a better place than the city that is not a city, which encompasses the entire earth, where the shops are open day and night never closing, all the kings of the earth have committed adultery in that city, all commerce is conducted there, and if it stops, all commerce stops, all shipping stops, no transportation services can navigate the globe...

Yes what better place then the Great whore who sits upon many waters, to get self justification in your sins...

The Internet =

The Mystical Babylon...

Islam the ANTI-CHRIST, is rising.

Veri-Chip is RFID the mark, the system, the bible makes that clear also you DO NOT need to take it IN your hand or head, the word is "OR" have the name "OR" the number...

Check it and see, too much Prophecy has proven to be accurate, without fail, but don't use a New Age Bible, the only English version that HASN'T changed, is the 1611 Authorized King James, ALL others delete verses and change words to DILUTE the actual meaning of the paragraph or sentence. ALL of todays more common bibles are exactly those NEW AGE MOLD GOD TO NOTHING, and DENY CHRIST bibles.

I have read them all, and FULLY, and studied EVERY RELIGION, and there is only ONE WAY, and that is the way JESUS teaches, and I have come full circle to Christ, havening been Atheist, Agnostic, Evolutionist, until I read the 1611 KJV and ALL secular records of history pertaining to the happenings recorded in the bible, and all scientific research subjects, and to think, how can 2 sexes unconnected, male and female of every living thing happen by chance, and attempt to figure the odds. It just is not possible. Then to study things like Polonium Halos, and see the proof that old and new granite formed together, and that the radio dating is false at best.

Study, you'll also find how Jesus was wrapped for burial in TWO separate cloths, NOT ONE, as the Shroud of Turrin lies will try to teach, but TWO, READ THE BIBLE, even those corrupt bibles show it, One Cloth for His head, and one for His body...


Don't park you little pea brains at the door when you go in the library to read...

Ignorance displays its ugly little brain, but it is fixable.

Stupidity exposes it's stinking rotten uuugly face to the bone forever and ever.

The Choice is yours...

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11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Christians are not to hate people who live sinful lifestyles. If we were to hate everyone who does an immoral thing, we would all be very lonely. "We all sin and fall short of the glory of God." Christians are to stand for God's word and truth while rejecting sin. That does NOT mean we are condemning you, does NOT mean we hate you, does NOT make us judgemental, hypocrites, narrowminded, bigoted, nor self-righteous. We are to speak truth. It is up to you reconcile with God. Whether you believe in God or not, one day you will come before him and answer for yourself. Christians do not want to see anyone go to Hell, that is why we encourage you to get right with God now. Every knee will bow, either willingly or forced. God offers you everlasting life. All you need to do is have repent and have faith. God bless all of you. Don't let another day go by without accepting God's gift.

6:54 PM  
Blogger ramatheson said...

It's amazing how all the Christians are so strong in their beliefs and convictions that they always post as "anonymous."

"All you have to do is repent..." I will neither apologize or expect any sort of forgiveness for the way I have lived my life. "All you have to do..." is followed by "...admit that everything you are is incorrect."

9:31 PM  
Blogger digitalbeachbum said...

I went to the link, but I guess they took it down because it was false.

I found several other false statements concerning American History which was loaded with how Christians founded this country.. blah blah blah.

In typical fashion, Christians either make up stuff to boost their self image or they only use partial truths and discard the rest because it makes them look wrong.

7:53 PM  

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