Wednesday, January 21, 2009

Today's Biblical Contradiction 1.23.2009

The ten commandments, god's easily understood laws for man to follow. I am sure most of you are familiar with at least a few of them. What do they tell us? The commandments (Exodus chapter twenty, or Deuteronomy chapter five) spell out (what most believers claim) god's most important rules for us to live by. Of course, this god being a jealous god, practically half of them are orders relating to god himself.

Today's contradiction regards these commandments, which were written down by god:

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." ~ Exodus 34:1

Here, in plain English, we see that god himself carved the words into the tablet. The problem here, as with many things in the "Good Book" (a great euphemism, by the way), is that it goes on to say the exact opposite:

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: ... And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." ~ Exodus 34:27

Now, we see that it was Moses that carved the commandments into the tablets! Which is it? Why the confusion in this (supposedly, but obviously not) inerrant book? There are many off-the-wall rationalizations one could probably come up with, but the simplest (and most correct, according to Ockham's Razor) and most correct answer is that the Bible was not written by god, but by fallible, subjective men.

Moving on, we may next ask, "Where was Moses when he was given the commandments by god"? According a number of passages in Exodus (31:18, 34:2, 34:4), Leviticus (26:46, 27:34), and Nehemiah (9:13), the law was handed to Moses at Mount Sinai. Unfortunately, these passages are again directly contradicted in other parts of the book.

"There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt." ~ 1 Kings 8:9

"There was nothing in the ark save the two tables which Moses put therein at Horeb." ~ 2 Chronicles 5:10

"Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb." ~ Malachi 4:4

Of course, there are rationalizations again, and the most common one is that Mount Horeb is the same mountain as Mount Sinai. Unfortunately, there are passages within the Bible that seem to indicate that this is not the case. There is debate about this. However, we must note that believers generally are the ones stating they are the same, as to indicate otherwise would show a clear scriptural contradiction. Obviously, there is a slight bias there. Wether or not it is one mountain does not clear up the overwhelming number of other contradictions found in the "Good Book."


Blogger Fredi said...


I stumbled onto your blog and I feel impressed to try something that many say cannot be done: Dialog between an Atheist and a Christian. If you are interested in a serious discussion, this could be very enlightening for both of us.
Here is a little information about myself:

I was born Catholic - I am a Christian for 5 years now (Yes - I'm older than 10 - way older ;-)
I have a Masters in Physics
I believe in the Authority of the Bible
I believe in Evolution to the degree that it is based on evidence or scientific methods
I believe that there are significant problems with an all-natural / random theory of the evolution of everything
I believe that the Bible has addressed (and resolved) all these problems 4000 years ago.
I believe that the Bible gives answers to all questions Science cannot answer
I believe that Atheism is irrational <- that should get you attention
I know Christians that turn me off!
I know Christians that I consider ignorant, hypocritical, angry, hate filled, self centered, …
I know other people that meet the same description

I'm not interested in ridiculing, name calling, etc. - I'm very interested in a discussion based on the merits of the argument

Are you ready for that?

1:45 PM  
Blogger ramatheson said...

This sounds great. I am currently in the process of disabling comments to this blog, and launching a forum for this site, as that seems the best, cohesive way to discuss the topic(s).

When it's up and running, I'll let everyone know. Subscribe to the site - that way you can be alerted when the boards launch.

7:59 PM  
Blogger Fredi said...

Random Cruelty ... here are some thoughts
Genesis 3:16
To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you." (NKJV)

Because what you have done (i.e. because you have replaced my wisdom with your own judgment of what is right or wrong – because you have decided that you know best what is good for you), this is what will happen
• From now on sex will cause problems in your life
• Your children will cause you pain – from conception through pregnancy and birth all the way through high-school and beyond.
• You will crave sex for its own sake – oblivious of the consequences
• You will desire men and derive your self-worth from their acceptance. You will think they accept you, love you when they sleep with you.
• You (women) will fall for and submit to men for all the wrong reasons. You will submit to men based on your desire (your emotions, your hormones, your loneliness, because you are ‘in love’, etc.)
• Your desire will make you a slave to everyone and everything that promises satisfaction.
• Your senses / desires will dominate your life

Short: The whole area or sex, romance and having children will cause a lot of pain in your life – but no matter how painful, you will always go back for more – hoping: the next time will be different.

Notes (personal interpretation):
The Hebrew word (Herown) that is often translated ‘childbirth’ literally means: conception, pregnancy. The Greek word (Stenagmos) used in the Septuagint means: a groaning, a sigh.
Seems to me this has to do more with the act of conceiving children (sex?) than with the actual act of giving birth.

‘bring forth’ could mean more than just the act of giving birth and include child rearing.

(T@shuwqah) desire, longing, craving
a. of man for woman
b. of woman for man
c. of beast to devour

1:55 PM  
Blogger Fredi said...

I have another one for you!
You say "The ten commandments, god's easily understood laws for man to follow."
Actually - God does not expect you to follow the Ten Commandments - He never has and never will ... and by "you" I mean pretty much all of us. This may rattle your theology, but I can show it to you in scripture.

2:38 PM  
Blogger ramatheson said...

Have you read my response? There will soon be boards up for this site. We can then discuss these issues. I do have responses, I am just currently busy getting the forums up and doing other things today (my wedding is in just 4 weeks!).

2:41 PM  

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